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usband was right: I found myself absolutely CRAVING to be held the way the Phantom held Christine, esp. in the Point of No Return scene. I realize now that I was seeing D/s ( dom male/sub female), but with tenderness, romance, and no violence.

Coincidentally (or maybe not), I found the Taken In Hand site not long after, and everything came together for me. I just cannot get enough of this website!

by BlueRose on 2005 Jul 10 - 00:52 | reply to this comment
Phantom of the Opera
I dunno, I've never seen the Lloyd Weber version, but I saw an old film version with Claude Rains. In that one the Phantom is a nutcase who lives down in the sewers and abducts the heroine. I wouldn't personally think of him as the ideal Taken In Hand man, but of course he may be different in the new version.

by Louise C on 2005 Jul 10 - 05:36 | reply to this comment
Phantom & Dominance
I've heard from a number of sources that there are D/s undertones in Phantom of the Opera. I haven't had the opportunity to see the play or the film but I'd like to see it for myself and decide if it is true.

I would agree it's not like that in the old version, from what I have seen of it he's cast as more evil.

"Pat"

by a Taken In Hand reader on 2005 Jul 10 - 14:10 | reply to this comment
you have to see the new POTO!
Here is a website to find out more:

http://www.phantomthemovie.com

The music is haunting, its a very Gothic film, lots of D/s overtones, and the more you watch it the more you see. Some of it is very open, some is subtle.

by BlueRose on 2005 Jul 10 - 15:27 | reply to this comment
then there are the films that....
Then there are the films that try to make dominant men seem domineering and abusive. I was thinking about this today while sorting through some old videotapes.

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